POLE THROUGH ADVERSITY
Introducing our first pole dancer in our Poling Through Adversity series.
Colleen has 13 years’ experience in the fitness industry as trainer, coach, teacher, performer, and competitor. She came to fitness later in life (29) and after a serious motorcycle accident that shattered her right leg. Her teaching style and methods for training are a mix of functional movement, physical therapy, and contortion. She firmly believes that everyone can improve their mobility.
She runs the International Pole Convention (PoleCon), the world’s largest pole-focused convention style event. Additionally she started the International Pole Industry Association (IPIA), the pole industry’s first trade association, in 2020 to support pole businesses. In 2022 she wrote the first book focused on mobility for pole dancers, aptly named “Mobility for Pole.”
Prior to finding pole dancing she was in the international business and visual communications industries for more than 15 years.
This transcript has been lightly edited for clarity and readability.
Interview
Fiona Caffin – Pole Dance Directory
good morning, Colleen! Welcome!
Welcome to the Pole Dance Directory interview series.
Today, we’re going to talk about your journey of pole dancing through adversity or with adversity.
And probably the best place to start is—when did you start pole?
Colleen Jolly
I started pole in 2011.
Fiona Caffin
Okay. And why? What brought you to pole? How did you find out about it?
Why Pole – especially after a serious motor accident?
Colleen Jolly
Kind of randomly. I had a friend that I met through Bollywood dancing—we had both started doing it around the same time. I met her through that, and she said, “Do you want to try pole dancing?” And I was like, “What’s that?” So she organized all the bookings and everything, and I tried it.
I was really terrible the first time—I couldn’t hold on, and I really didn’t think you needed to wear shorts! But I persevered and kept going with my friend. It was our thing that we did every week for a while. Eventually, she lost interest, but I did not—I just kept going.
So it was kind of on a lark that I found it, but I just thought it was so cool and fun, and I kept going.
I just thought it was so cool and fun,
and I kept going.
Fiona Caffin
Yeah, that’s such a common story I’ve heard. My own story is similar as well.
It’s interesting how we come to pole in such a random way. Often, the people we start with fall away, and we find this whole new passion and love for it.
So you mentioned Bollywood—had you done a lot of sports, competitive activities, or physical exercise before you started pole?
Colleen Jolly
Nope. In high school, I tried a few different sports, but as a school, we were pretty terrible. And I, personally, was very terrible!
I played basketball for a little bit—very poorly—and then I played really bad softball for a couple of years. I had a lot of fun, but we were pretty miserable. We got ice cream after, so that was a plus when you lose!
Then I had a very serious motorcycle accident when I was in university, so after that, I didn’t really do anything. I tried going to the gym, but that was pretty boring and weird.
I found Bollywood dancing through my alumni association—one of the other alumni from my university started a Bollywood class. It was kind of like Zumba meets Bollywood, so anyone could try it. I started doing that just for fitness, and that’s where I met this friend.
Then we went to pole dancing—and now, I’ve arranged my whole life around pole dancing, as you do!
Fiona Caffin
Oh, absolutely. Pole comes first, and everything else has to just slot in around it.
So, you were fairly young when you started pole dancing—were you in your twenties?
Colleen Jolly
I was 29 when I started.
It was an interesting journey to get into fitness. Even though I played a little bit of sports in high school—kind of poorly—I had a motorcycle accident in between. That was a huge change in terms of being able to walk.
That accident happened when I was 19, so I kind of restarted there. And then there was this 10-year period where I didn’t really do much in terms of fitness—just occasionally trying to go to the gym and figuring out, “Well, should I do cardio or weights? I don’t really know how this all works.”
Then pole just really accelerated my desire to learn about the body—first to help myself, and eventually to help others.
Fiona Caffin
Yeah, having that motorcycle accident must have been pretty major at 19. If you said you couldn’t walk, you would have had to go right back to basics—a lot of rehab, I imagine?
5 Surgeries & Rehab
Colleen Jolly
Well, fun fact: in the U.S., our healthcare system sucks.
I ended up having five surgeries. A large utility van hit my right leg and shattered it. I had four surgeries in rapid succession and a fifth later when my bones didn’t heal properly. I had to have a bone graft, a skin graft, and all these things.
But no—my insurance didn’t cover rehab. So I just… made up rehab and tried to figure it out myself.
It worked enough – I was able to walk, which at one point the doctors weren’t sure would happen. They weren’t even sure if they were going to have to amputate. So yeah, it was a lot for a 19-year-old to process. Like, Oh, well, now I’m really screwed. I don’t know what I’m going to do.
But, fortunately, I’m pretty determined. I was able to figure out a lot, and I’m still figuring things out. I see a physical therapist once a month who does scar dry needling to break up 20-plus-year-old scar tissue, which is fascinating that you can still do that.
Fiona Caffin
Incredible. Yeah, I mean, it’s sad that you still have all that scarring, but it’s amazing that there are still things you can do for it.
I guess it’s been a bit of a journey of discovery. There was a period where you didn’t do much physical activity, but then when you found Bollywood and pole, you started increasing your exercise levels. And obviously, you’ve studied a lot and gained a lot of knowledge—but do you think there’s still improvement to be had?
Colleen Jolly
Yeah, I mean, I hope so. I hope there’s still more improvement to be had.
I’ve gotten really into contortion—or at least I’m trying to be into contortion—and that requires a lot of realignment throughout the body. The body just kind of does the best it can. When you need to get from here to there, the body’s like, Alright, boss, let’s go! But maybe that’s not the optimal alignment. Maybe there are muscular compensations or other imbalances.
Through contortion, I’m really learning where my misalignments are, and I’m working toward getting back to something that approaches a neutral baseline. So, yeah—it’s definitely an active and ongoing journey.
Fiona Caffin
Yeah. Well, speaking of journeys—your pole journey has obviously not been the average one, given the adversity you started with.
So, you started pole, you’ve mentioned contortion—what else have you done along the way? Where has your journey taken you?
Colleen Jolly
I love learning. Since fitness was not my background, I’ve taken a ton of certifications to try to understand how the body works. I got a personal trainer certification, a corrective exercise certification, and I’ve trained in a lot of different modalities—pole, TRX, myofascial release.
I ended up putting everything together and writing a book called Mobility for Pole. That was kind of the culmination of all the things I’d learned. I wanted to help others by saying, Let me save you some time—read this first and see if it helps you.
So, yeah, my journey has taken me in a lot of different directions, but I always bring it back to pole.
Fiona Caffin
Yeah. So, part of the theme of this interview series is poling through and with adversity. Would you say that your biggest challenge has been learning to adjust to your injury—the imbalances it created in your body—and working to rebalance them?
Or is there anything else in your journey that you’ve had to live with or accept that you’d like to share?
Dealing with Trauma
Colleen Jolly
Yeah, I mean, in my journey to understand the physical, I’ve also looked a lot at how mental and emotional states play into it.
I’m a trauma survivor, a sexual assault survivor. I’ve been diagnosed with complex PTSD. And I’ve really tried to understand how all of these things interact.
Trauma can be described as something you weren’t prepared to deal with, right? For some people, it’s one huge event. For others, it’s a series of smaller things. Not to say “little” or “big” in a quantifiable way, because trauma isn’t quantifiable—it’s very individual.
So, I’ve learned a lot about how the body reacts—how it holds tension, how it moves through it.
With my motorcycle accident, it’s easy to see where there’s trauma—I have scars, physical limitations. But with mental and emotional trauma, we all experience it to different degrees, and it’s not always as visible.
I try to integrate that understanding into my own training and share it with my students as well.
With my motorcycle accident, it’s easy to see where there’s trauma—I have scars, physical limitations.
But with mental and emotional trauma, we all experience it to different degrees, and it’s not always as visible.
Instagram tips: Cues-Day
Fiona Caffin
Cool. Yeah, I’ve seen your regular Instagram posts, especially your Cues-day ones—I love those. I always look out for them.
Colleen Jolly
Yay!
Fiona Caffin
And we’ll link some of those things in the notes so listeners can find them—like your book and your Instagram.
Colleen Jolly
Oh, awesome!
Colleen’s Average training week
Fiona Caffin
So, you talked a little about your training—what does your training plan or program look like these days?
Do you do a lot of cross-training? You’ve mentioned contortion, different modalities… do you try to fit everything into your weekly routine? I’d love to know what an average training week looks like for you.
Colleen Jolly
Yeah, I try to keep track of everything. I teach a lot, so I make sure to set aside time just for my own training—not just for teaching.
I typically do a couple of hours of dedicated contortion training off the pole each week, sometimes including handstands.
I also try to do at least two weight-focused conditioning sessions per week. These can range anywhere from 20 minutes to an hour, depending on how much time I have.
Earlier this year, I had a big competition, so my training was really structured around preparing for that. I had a strict plan: on this day, do these things; this is a rest day; this is a strength day…
And then the competition ended, and I was like, fuck it! Who cares? for a couple of weeks!
Now I’m getting back into a structured routine, figuring out my next goals, and adjusting my training to support them—all while balancing my teaching load.
Fiona Caffin
So you’re someone who sets specific goals for your pole training—your pole journey—and then plans your training in a structured way to reach them?
Do you have any tips for others on how to do that? Because I personally struggle with that.
There are moves I’ve wanted to learn for years. I came to pole late—I started at 51, so I’ve been doing it for about five years now.
I keep saying, This is the year I’ll learn that move! And then… I go off the rails very easily!
Colleen Jolly
Yeah, but sometimes going off the rails is fun! Unstructured playtime can actually help you discover new things.
When I work with people, I usually tell them: Set a strength goal and a flexibility goal. That way, you’re working on both without over-focusing on one and creating a new imbalance or injury.
When I first started, there was this rush to collect every move. I felt like I needed to be able to do everything.
Now, I focus on perfecting moves. If I always did a move on my good side, I go back and train it on my weaker side. I focus on flow, transitions, and control.
Some people are really motivated by competitions or performances. Others need more flexibility (pun intended). You have to figure out what works for you.
If too much goal-setting takes the fun out of it—then don’t do it!
If too much goal-setting takes the fun out of it—then don’t do it!
Fiona Caffin
Yeah, that’s definitely something I think I suffer from from time to time—a bit of a nose-to-the-grindstone attitude.
So, in a typical week, how many hours would you estimate you spend on pole versus off-the-pole training? I always find these numbers interesting because everyone is so different.
Colleen Jolly
Yeah, I teach a lot of classes—between regular classes and privates, I probably teach somewhere between 9 and 15 hours a week. Sometimes more, sometimes less. And sometimes, a private session is just me watching someone and saying, Move your right hand!—so it’s not necessarily training for me.
My own training might be somewhere between 4 and 6 hours per week on the high end. If I’m training for a competition, I can somehow squeeze in extra run-throughs. Then, when the competition is over, I’m like, How did I ever find time for all that?
Lately, I’ve been doing a lot more off-the-pole work—really getting into contortion. I find it a huge challenge to work on things that are very symmetrical when I am, by nature, a very asymmetrical person. Pole itself can be very asymmetrical since you’re always leveraging against the pole in certain ways. So, for me, contortion has been a big challenge. Like, Can I do a chest stand without it hurting? It’s challenging, but I’m trying to figure it out.
I’d say I’ve been spending more time on off-the-pole training now compared to previous years.
Fiona Caffin
Would you say that’s really helped your pole journey and your ability to perform on the pole?
Colleen Jolly
Oh, absolutely.
Understanding anatomy is one thing—it’s easy to say, This muscle does this action. But it’s a whole different thing when you’re feeling it in your own body and trying to identify the tiny tweaks that make a difference.
That’s why I love Cues-day! It’s so cool that you like them too. There are all these little things that can make a huge difference in connecting the body and brain.
That connection can sometimes be really hard to figure out. You watch your teacher, you watch yourself, and you think, Where is the disconnect? Helping people figure out that disconnect is my favorite thing.
It’s been such a struggle for me that I love seeing someone else get it faster. That moment when they go, “Ohhh, I get it now!” – I live for that.
Fiona Caffin
Yeah, that’s fabulous. For me, coming to pole late—and to physical exercise in general—that connection has been one of the biggest challenges.
It’s that classic moment when your instructor says, “Move your left leg”, and instead, you take your right arm off. Then they say, “No, your leg!” and you take your other arm off. It’s amazing how disconnected your brain can get, especially when you’re inverted.
Colleen Jolly
Oh, yeah.
Fiona Caffin
Developing that connection is so important.
So, you mentioned competing and performing—have you done a lot of competitions? Any titles we should know about?
Competing, Losing & Snoop Dogg
Colleen Jolly
I have lost a lot of competitions. I counted recently, and I think it’s around 38 competitions… and I’ve lost all but one!
The one I won was a bar competition—I had absolutely no right winning, but they announced me as the winner, and I was like, Yay! This is wonderful!
I like performing. When I first started, competitions were the focus. It felt like you hit a certain point in your pole journey, and then it was just, Well, now you compete. I don’t think that’s the case anymore, which I’m glad about because it felt like a lot of pressure.
For a while, I kept competing as a way to get my name out there. But now, with social media, that’s changed. People don’t always know who won the latest XYZ competition – maybe they do; some competitions still have a lot of cache, but you can still be famous on instagram; and still make a living teaching your style and never having competed.
That said, I personally prefer performing where there’s not the stress of Am I better than this person?—I can just enjoy and be like “your performance was so much fun, and your performance was fun, and my performance was fun.”
And my claim to fame? I performed with Snoop Dogg—twice! So that’s always a fun one to pull out.
Fiona Caffin
That’s amazing! Yeah, I saw that when Snoop Dogg came to Australia this year, some of our fabulous pole dancers got to perform with him. It was incredible to watch!
So, that’s amazing that you’ve done that too.
But back to the competitions—38 “losses” still means 38 performances and 38 routines that you put together. That’s incredibly impressive.
Is creating routines something you enjoy? Do you have any hot tips for people who want to get better at it?
Creating 38+ routines
Colleen Jolly
You know, I never did dance as a child. I guess I kind of dabbled a little bit and, you know, was a very poor sports player—briefly. But I was always a visual artist, and I find that dance is an interesting, different way to be an artist compared to what I had previously done. I really like character work and bringing interesting concepts to life. I’ve done a lot of pole comedy.
Or characters—I kind of went that way because I wasn’t very confident in my pole skills. But I knew that I could tell a story, and I knew that I had a very expressive face. If I could combine everything else—like my face, my costume, and all these other elements—maybe nobody would care if my jade split wasn’t very flat or if I couldn’t hold an Ayesha. So I really got into pole comedy and have done quite a lot of that, especially in theatrical pole.
Now, I’ll be driving, hear a song on the radio, and think, Oh, you know what would be fun?—and then start imagining a whole concept. So yeah, it’s been a bit of an evolution, but it’s definitely something I now enjoy: creating those characters and concepts.
Fiona Caffin
Yeah, and I think that’s one of the beautiful things about pole—there are so many styles, right? From pole sports to Pole Theatre, pole comedy, and everything in between. Obviously, you enjoy Pole Theatre and pole comedy, but are there other styles you particularly practice? Do you do pole sports? Do you do exotic? Are there other styles you enjoy?
Colleen Jolly
You know, I like a little bit of everything. I tend to teach a lot of tricks because I can help people unlock movements and make that connection between body and brain. I’m a master trainer with Liquid Motion, which is a movement methodology that focuses on sensual movement.
I don’t consider myself a sexy pole dancer, so I resisted that connotation for a long time. Liquid Motion has a reputation for being very sexy, even though they use the word sensual—which are two different concepts that often get conflated. But I do like it in terms of helping with connections, transitions, and movement flow, making everything look more cohesive.
I also do a lot of low flow. I’m afraid of heights, so I naturally gravitate toward it. Plus, during the pandemic, I was just training in my home studio with a nine-foot ceiling, so that influenced my style as well. I focus a lot on low flow, floor work, and things like that.
Colleen Jolly
But I’ll listen to any type of music, and I’ve experimented with a lot of different styles. So I’m pretty open—I’ll try anything.
Fiona Caffin
Yeah, I think that’s one of the strengths of pole, isn’t it? I mean, it really encompasses almost every genre if you choose to make it so.
So one of the other questions on my list here is about pole idols. We’ve talked a little bit about styles, and you’ve mentioned Liquid Motion—which I’ve done a little bit of as well, and it’s fabulous. Are there any particular pole idols or pole dancers that you love to learn from or watch?
Colleen Jolly
You know, when I first got into pole, my friend was like, “Oh, we need to start taking these classes!” She was the one on YouTube, finding videos and sending me links. She was really drawn to the sexy, flowy style, but I found a video of Kristy Sellers.
It was one of the Miss Pole Dance Australia heats—either for Melbourne or Victoria. I don’t remember if it was just for the city or the whole country. Anyway, it was amazing. She did this very theatrical performance to Britney Spears’ Toxic, where she was a flight attendant—referencing the music video. She had a light-up bra, props, and these incredible facial expressions.
I remember showing my partner and saying, “That. That. That! I want to do that! I want to be able to do that!” So Kristy Sellers has definitely been a big inspiration for me in terms of pole theater, pole comedy, and characterization.
I’ve met her before—she’s come to PoleCon—and she’s just the sweetest human. It’s really cool to see everything she’s done with America’s Got Talent, Australia’s Got Talent, and all that. I think she’s giving people another way to get into pole—where it’s about entertainment and interaction. I just think that’s really cool.
Fiona Caffin
Yeah, she is amazing. I know—I watch her videos over and over, too.
The way she blends theater with backdrops, her interactions—it’s just incredible. She’s very, very clever at that. I really admire her as well.
So, are there particular pole moves that you really like? Or are there any that you’ve struggled with—like a nemesis move that’s been difficult for you?
Hypermobility v strength moves
Colleen Jolly
Yeah, it took me a long time to really connect with strength moves. I think now I’ve realized I have some elements of hypermobility.
Not everywhere—not all the way to something like EDS or anything like that—but I definitely have areas where my shoulders can dislocate, and my hips are very flexible. So it was really hard for me to hold any of the two-handed pole moves. I had to build up so much strength in my shoulders.
I naturally gravitated toward flexibility moves. Bird of Paradise is one of my favorites—it just worked for my body. I hate to say “natural,” but with the way my body is structured, I was able to do it on the first day, and I was like, “Oh, this is great!” Meanwhile, everyone else was like, “How are you doing that?!”
Colleen Jolly
Not for me! It took me a long time to get my Ayesha, comparably and some of the strength moves. But I feel a lot more confident in my strength now—I’ve done a lot of conditioning and understanding.
Nemesis – the Janeiro
That said, there are still some moves… like the janeiro & I. We fight all the time. I will have the Janeiro, I’ve competed with the janeiro , and then he will disappears for a few years… and then he comes back. So yeah, he’s my nemesis—we have a love-hate relationship, me and the janeiro .
Fiona Caffin
(Laughs)
Colleen Jolly
It’s frustrating because his cousin on the ground—the Croc—is a move I feel very comfortable with. But for some reason, when I put him on the pole… nope! I was just working on it yesterday, and I’ve got some fresh janeiro scars from flag grip. So yeah, he’s my nemesis. I have named him.
Fiona Caffin
(Laughs) I must admit, that’s one move I haven’t tried yet. Well, there are a lot of moves I haven’t tried yet! I have similar issues, and I’m still working on my Ayesha. That two-handed grip is really difficult with the shoulders. And like you, well—maybe not exactly like you—but when I started pole five years ago, I had zero upper body strength. So… yeah. I think I’ll be working on that for a while.
Colleen Jolly
And that’s okay! If it takes a year, if it takes ten years—it’s all part of the process. I think only around year ten—wait, what year is it now? Year thirteen?—yeah, around year ten, I was finally like, Okay, I can hold an Ayesha. And that was after working on it on and off for years.
Everyone comes to things differently. I’ve had students who struggle with the chopper—the classic V invert—where they can do all these other advanced moves, but that one is so hard for them. And that’s okay! Everybody has different strengths and challenges.
Fiona Caffin
Yeah, that’s incredibly encouraging to hear—that even if it takes time, you did get there. I’ll take some heart from that. Though… ten years from now, I’ll be 61! So I really hope I get my Ayesha before then!
(Both laugh)
Fiona Caffin
So, you mentioned Bird of Paradise as a move that came easily to you. Is that still one of your favorites? Or have you fallen in love with any others since?
Colleen Jolly
Oh, I put that move in every routine! It’s a crowd-pleaser, and it’s not super common. You see more of them now than when I first started performing it, but every time I see one—like if I spot it at PoleCon—I’m always like, Yeah! Yeah! That’s amazing!
Speaking of Ayesha, I’ve finally gotten comfortable with the cartwheel entry—the hands-free one.
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Fiona Caffin
Oh, the hands-free entry?
Colleen Jolly
Yeah! For the longest time, my brain was just like, You’re gonna die. Don’t do that! But now I can do it, and I feel really confident in it.
But if I had to just perform something right now? Anything with splits—I feel very solid in those.
Would I do that handspring thing in a high-stakes performance? Absolutely not. When I performed for Snoop Dogg, did I do any handsprings? Nope. I didn’t want any chance of messing up in front of Snoop Dogg! So all I did was splits—because that’s a place where I feel completely comfortable.
So I was like, Bird of Paradise, Jade, Allegra… how many ways can I split? Chopstick? Sure! Any way I could split, I split—because that’s my comfort zone.
Fiona Caffin
Yeah, and that’s such a good reminder—You have plenty of moves you are comfortable with, and you don’t have to do every single move. It’s not neccessary.
Colleen Jolly
Exactly!
Just. Start!
Advice for starting pole
Fiona Caffin
Yeah, have you got some general, basic advice for someone who might be wanting to start pole or just starting on their pole journey? Other than that—be patient, you will get there.
Colleen Jolly
Yeah, you know, I would say just start. The hardest thing you’ll do is walking through the door of a studio, buying a pole, or deciding to take an online class. That’s the hardest part. People say all the time, “Oh, I’ll start when I’m stronger, when I’ve lost the baby weight, when I’m [fill in the blank].”
Just start. That first step is very, very hard, but once you start, it becomes so much easier to keep going. And then one day, you look back and think, “Oh, it’s been 13 years—wow! How did that happen?“
Fiona Caffin
I know, right? I can’t believe it’s been five years already. It’s just crazy.
So yeah, “just start”—I think that applies to most things in life, doesn’t it? Not just pole. It’s like, just start, and we’ll figure the rest out as we go.
Colleen Jolly
Yeah, and everybody’s journey is going to look different. I know it’s hard when you start out to compare yourself to others—you look at this person and that person. It’s human nature to do that, but try not to, because comparison can be the thief of joy.
Fiona Caffin
Yes! Because there are some amazing polers out there on Instagram. You can lose a lot of hours just thinking, “Oh, I’d like to learn that, and that, and that,” and then never actually do anything.
So, just start—that’s the hot tip for today.
Is there anything else you’d like to add? Anything I haven’t asked that maybe I should have?
Bring your stuff – to the big vertical bar.
Colleen Jolly
You know, when it comes to adversity and folks who might be facing different challenges—everybody’s got stuff.
You might see the most beautiful dancer in the world, but they could have an autoimmune condition, scoliosis, or have gone through a traumatic experience that impacts their world. You can’t just look at someone online and know all the challenges they’re facing.
Similarly, if you have challenges, it’s okay—everybody does. At PoleCon, we support polers with visible and less visible illnesses in performing because it’s important to highlight that.
You might see a poler who looks fine, but they could have MS, depression, or something else that isn’t as obvious. Other polers might have different challenges, like being an amputee. But ultimately, it doesn’t matter—everybody’s got stuff.
So bring your stuff. We hang out at the bar—it’s just a big, vertical, shiny bar. And you know what? You can do it, too. You can do whatever you want to do.
But you have to start.
Everybody’s got stuff.
So bring your stuff.
we hang out at the bar – its just a big vertical shiny bar.
Fiona Caffin
That is such good advice. That is beautiful. Thank you so much, Colleen.
I know we can find you on your business websites and your Instagram, and I’ll put all those links in the notes below and at the end of this video. But I’d just like to say thank you so much for your time today. It’s been an absolute pleasure to hear about you and your journey. Thank you.
Colleen Jolly
Yay! Thanks for having me.
Fiona Caffin
So much, yeah.
Do keep up the Cues-days, because I just think they’re great—and your dog as well!
Colleen Jolly
I know, she’s been here the whole time. She’s in her bed—you can’t see her, but she’s sleeping. Right, Bailey? Yes, thank you. She’s very cute. I think she’s the cutest dog ever, but that’s because she’s my dog.
Fiona Caffin
Yeah, yeah. And I’ve seen some of your contortion training videos too. And I look at them and just go, “Oh my God!“
I wish I could do that—yeah. It’s partly a time thing for me, and also, my body can only take so much at my age. I’ve got to be a bit careful.
But anyway, I’ll let you go. It’s Sunday night there, is it late?
Colleen Jolly
Yes, just after 8 p.m.—not too bad.
Fiona Caffin
Well, thank you so much for giving up your Sunday evening.
